Monday, 6 June 2011

8000 Year old boat found in the Solent

By Robert John Langdon

This piece of news fell under the radar when I was researching my book 'The Stonehenge Enigma' last year - but will certainly make the second edition next year.

Divers in the solent found pieces of the oldest British boats and which has been dated at 6420 - 6000BC.


This piece of wood shows signs that Mesolithic man had the ability to 'plank' wood down the grain - in this instance the plank was 10m long  - but this length does not make boats - they make ships!!

The basic boat would be made of reed, we have seen that even these basic boats can travel across the Atlantic Ocean like RAII in 1969 - just think what voyages could be made with a wooden ship.

It is ironic that in the month we launch our hypothesis - absolute proof of our maritime ancestors is found in the archives of the BBC.

Follow the link to the Hampshire and Wright Maritime archaeological site.

http://www.hwtma.org.uk/investigations-in-2010



19 comments:

  1. Robert, that is truly amazing!!

    I never heard of this find either - I noticed they had publicity on the string they found but this.... this must change everything... where is time team when you need them?

    Bob Davis

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  2. what about the human remains found inside the stone circle of stonehenge the men women & children now left in a cardboard box in a storeroom now 400 miles away after 4500 years at rest there !!....

    we are the The quest for common decency & dignity and honouring our ancient ancestors.fb

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  3. Thank you for your comments Bob _ it is amazing that string made the headlines and not the boat.

    FB. I wouldn't worry too much about our ancestors bones as clearly they did not have the reverence for body remains as we do.

    The fact they excarnated the bodies (left out in the open for the birds to devour) before being gathered and placed in Long Barrows shows that their beliefs we not similar as ours.

    But it would be nice to place the bones on the site as a sign of respect - maybe an airtight box that can be examined in the future if scientist can benefit from the remains.

    RJL

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  4. Bob,

    Could there be a 'conspiracy of silence' among the archeologists investigating prehistoric UK who kept such amazing finding out of the public notice? Except Robert of course. Thanks Robert …

    If we carved the wood into a figurine, we would have an 8000 year old Venus!

    Kostas

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  5. Not quite a conspiracy - as the information has been published online. More of an indifference to such a great find by the archaeologist who have failed to report the find as being significant.

    Probably because they have all published books with hunter/gatherer references - you can't hunter gather in a 10m ship and it seems humble pie is not on the menu, so lets ignore the find!

    I'm sure if someone found a UFO buried in the ground and reported only that an object made large hole with asking where it came from - even you would find that 'indifferent'?

    RJL

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  6. Robert,

    Imagine, the whole of History hinging on humble pie and book sales!

    Carbon dating can show that the wood is 8000 years old. But what does that say about its use as a plank in a Mesolithic wooden boat?

    Looking at the photo carefully, you'll notice a clean wedge notch cut into the wood across the width. What Mesolithic stone ax 8000 years ago could have done that Robert?

    Isn't it more likely that this old piece of wood washed onto the shore much later and used by men who had the metal tools to make such clean wedge cuts into the wood? Could it be that's the reason archeologists have ignored it as being significant?

    Of course, for the 'true believers' this could also be part of the Holy Cross that Christ was crucified on brought back by the crusaders and lost. Until it appeared in your blog, Robert! Wait, I think I see the nail marks!

    Kostas

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  7. Kostas

    The one's I've shown you on previous blogs that can put holes in granite. At least your recognising they had advanced technology - as the chances of you finding a piece of 8000 year old wood on a shore is slim to say the least!

    What excuses will be offered when eventually they find the whole boat - lots of wood fell on shore on a stormy night, built boat with modern tools that then sank?

    Pure Hollywood!

    RJL

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  8. Robert,

    I was anticipating your response! You might say I was setting you up for it!

    Where are all these wonderful tools your Mesolithic boat people used in their great civilization? Any found? In Egypt and Greece and other places we find ancient tools. Why don't they exist in the UK? The only tool found and claimed to be 5000 years old is a deer antler buried in the Stonehenge ditch and said to have been used to dig the ditch!

    So how do we get from deer antlers to diamond drill bits that can drill perfectly round holes into perfectly round spheres, Robert?

    The stone sphere with a perfect round hole in your post is likely an early cannon ball. The hole in it was likely filled with gun powder and sealed with wax and wick. If it was found buried in a rubble and the rubble was dated to the Mesolithic, it does not make the stone cannon ball Mesolithic. Such rubble can be deposited and buried along with other debris from many different periods by floods and earthquakes. Can't take these dates seriously. Or you, for that matter!

    If I was to drill a hole in an 8000 year old rock, would that make the hole 8000 years old?

    Kostas

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  9. Kosta

    Cannon Balls.... enough said!

    Revisit: http://www.blogger.com/email-post.g?blogID=3088930588422185087&postID=5783116714704446816

    RJL

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  10. Robert,

    Hmm... looks like you are lost for words!

    Why don't you respond to my specific points? Let me help you by enumerating them:

    1) Where are the Mesolithic tools that you claim your Mesolithic boat people had? Any found?

    2) The bow drill you depict in your post is attributed to ancient Egyptians. What UFO brought it back in time to Mesolithic UK and left no trace in History? Sheer flight of fantasy!

    3) The only Neolithic tools found at Stonehenge were deer antlers that are said to have been used to dig the ditch and then buried for ceremonial purposes. How do we go from 'deer antlers' to 'drilling tools' the likes of diamond tip drills?

    4) If a stone with a hole is found in a rubble along with artifacts that can be carbon dated to the Mesolithic, does this date the hole as Mesolithic too? If I put a hole in an 8000 year old stone, is the hole also 8000 year old? If I carve a figurine in an 8000 year old wood, do I have an 8000 year old Venus?

    5) If this whole area was under water, as you claim, wont you expect deposits from various time periods to be found buried together? There just can't be convenient archeological time strata that can be used to date the debris found in a water basin that Salisbury Plain you claim was. As you would expect to find in dry undisturbed land.

    So Robert, your very theory of a Mesolithic inundation puts water holes through your very argument for an advanced Mesolithic civilization!

    Robert, we know cannon balls existed. And we know their purpose and how they functioned. But we do not know of Mesolithic diamond tip drills that can explain the round hole in the round ball, with no apparent purpose or function. It is used by you only as a deceptive ploy in your claims that aim to make Brits feel good and so sell more of your books.

    You have nothing to say for Truth and Reason!

    Kostas

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  11. Kostas

    Ok I'll take it slowly for you!

    1) The link shows you a picture of what you requested?

    2)No trace of one in Egypt either - but a picture on a temple wall.

    3)Lots of tools found at Stonehenge google 'amesbury man' to find a person from Italy and his tools!!

    4)If it was the only tool you maybe right, but hundreds of them have been found google 'mace heads' to find pictures

    5)Stonehenge was not under water - your confusing me with your madcap theory!!

    and cannon balls with holes in speak for themselves.

    RJL

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  12. Robert,

    You can 'answer' but you can't 'hide' from the Truth!

    1) Your post shows a picture of an EGYPTIAN bow drill.

    2) At least in Egypt we have EVIDENCE from THEIR RECORDED HISTORY that they knew and used bow drills. Where is the evidence of that for your Mesolithic boat people? Or are you claiming everything ancient found anywhere is Mesolithic UK!

    3) The question was not if tools were found, but if the type of drilling tools you are claiming existed in Mesolithic UK are found! The fact that some primitive tools, like stone axes and arrow heads, ARE found means that primitive tools CAN be found. That the tools that you need to make your argument of an advanced Mesolithic civilization are NOT found, while other type of tools ARE found, puts a big whole in your argument that such tools existed!

    4) Googling 'mace heads' gave 'mace heads' in your British Museum from Sippar, southern Iraq
    Early Dynastic period, about 2600-2400 BC. But nothing on Mesolithic UK. Are we now claiming all ancient artifacts as British? Isn't stealing the Parthenon marbles enough?

    5) Salisbury Plain was under water according to YOUR theory! Are you now denouncing your own theory to save your argument for Mesolithic holes drilled in stone balls?

    Such inconsistency and self-contradiction in your 'sleight of logic' is called a 'phallaceous argument', with or without the drilled balls!

    Kostas

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  13. Kostas

    I have no idea what your talking about?

    The blog titled:Ancient Civilisation - Aliens from Mars or unexpected technology?

    Shows a picture of 4 mace axes from Avon, it then shows a Granite Ball from the Mesolithic Period with a precision hole and then an artists picture of a bow-drill (not necessarily Egyptian)

    Try this site as you have difficulty of searching Google effectively - http://finds.org.uk/database/search/results/objecttype/mace/broadperiod/MESOLITHIC

    If you READ the blog slowly you will find that we suggest the ONLY WAY to get a hole in stones like these is a BOW-DRILL - when we find a BOW-DRILL the headline will state - WE HAVE FOUND A 8000 YEAR BOW-DRILL as we did when we found a 8000 YEAR OLD BOAT which you also stated could never exist unless a time-machine brought it back from Egyptian times.

    If you look at the picture at the top of the page (press the Pg Up button) you will see Stonehenge - surrounded (not covered) with water.

    And on the Mesolithic and Neolithic maps we now provide you will find NO PREHISTORIC SITES in the waterways so this 'confusion of finds can not happen!

    RJL

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  14. Robert,

    The photos of mace heads found in the link you provided were helpful. They conceivably are from the Mesolithic. Although the description of these as 'probably Mesolithic' leaves some room for doubt. They do appear to be heads of stone tools, hammers and the like. The shape of each stone seems to me to be natural with some modification. The hole through them is the main question. Some of the photos of unfinished mace heads indicate a dark coloration in the unfinished hole. That may give a clue how these holes may have been made.

    I concede prehistoric people could make holes through stones. But the stone tools they made with mace heads could not make the clean wedge cut into that 8000 year old wood plank in your post. I continue to believe that such clean cut was made much latter when metal saws were available. Therefore, this piece of wood cannot be taken as evidence for Mesolithic wooden boats.

    The round granite sphere with a round hole in it is another matter. This is more interesting to me. Can you provide me with a link where details of its finding can be found? What interests me most about it is how perfectly spherical it is. Can't imagine Mesolithic people being able to do such a thing. I still insist that this may be a very early type of cannon ball -- possibly used with catapults -- meant to explode once it lands on the enemy. There doesn't seem to be any other explanation for its purpose and function. This conceivably is Medieval and not Mesolithic. But I reserve final judgment on this.

    Kostas

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  15. Robert,

    More thoughts about your 'mace head stones'. These, you claim, are evidence of an advanced Mesolithic civilization in the UK for the following reasons:

    1) They have a hole that you claim was precisely drilled through the stone using a 'bow drill'

    2) They have a polish on the surface of the stone.

    First the polish. Any stone pebble you pick up from any beach will have a similar polish. This polish is totally natural and not man-made. Note that the surface of the 'drilled hole' does not have a similar polish! If the polish was man-made, why wont also the hole surface show the same shine?

    Concerning the 'drilled hole'.

    Notice that without exception, the hole through the rock is much wider on the surface of the rock and tapers off towards the center of the hole. And this is so on both sides of the rock. If such hole was to be drilled through, you would expect an even clean hole from one side to the other side of the rock. This just is not so.

    Notice further, in some of the mace heads in the BM link you provided, there are small grooves that indicate sharp scraping of the rock surface that form the wider portion of the hole. This is clear evidence that the way the hole was made was to use a sharp rock (possibly flint) to first scrape the surface of the rock, creating a circular indentation which later became the wider portion of the hole. After that, and once the tougher rock surface had been scraped at some depth, working more exclusively at the center of the circular indentation the hole was made deeper and narrower using possibly a sharp pointed flint stone (much like an arrow head) to bore through the rock.

    This process was done working on both sides of the rock, possibly using water to make the stone softer, till finally the hole broke through the rock. The hole was enlarged and smoothed out using the same 'flint arrow head' tool.

    So now you know how Mesolithic people could make a hole through a stone! No diamond bits or bow drills needed!

    Kostas

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  16. Kostas

    Congratulations you have acceded to the lofty mentality of an archaeologist. Clearly, tool making or engineering was not a past employment?

    Fortunately, I have done both - yes there are grooves in the stone. As you believe that they are flint scrapping, I can only suggest you go into your back garden and give it a go!

    In fact don't come back until you had taken 1cm from the stone..... see you next year!

    Its the same kind of analysis that leads to archaeologists to suggests that trees are chopped down with stone axes and thousands of men drag stones across Salisbury plan - its plain academic nonsense!

    Engineers will to tell you that, you burn the base of tree to bring it down hence charcoal found in post holes, stones are sailed to Mesolithic sites in boats, hence no roads to Stonehenge prior to the Romans and Holes are drilled into Stones and that's the marks you see in the stones - because there microliths on sticks.

    IF YOU READ THE BOOK, you find details of other activities that require such small fast drills such as DENTISTRY - try that with a flint tool! and TREPANATION(brain surgery) if you try one with a sharp flint tool and you get a broken crushed skull or brain damage. Remembering no to kill the patient through shock or pain.


    RJL

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  17. Robert,

    So how do you explain the circular wide tapered area of the hole on BOTH sides of the stone if the hole was drilled through the stone? And how do you explain the radial grooves in that wide area? And how do you explain the not so clean and not so precise holes as you would expect if these were drilled? And how do you explain the stone polish, and why such polish does not exist in the wide circular area of the hole? I CAN! AND YOU CAN”T!

    The only kind of 'brain surgery' your Mesolithic Brits have done on anyone is the implantation of this mythic romanticism in your mind!

    Congratulations, however, on doubling your site count! When I started posting comments on your blog about a month ago, the count was about 900. Now it is well over 1900 and the number of comments left by visitors (mainly me!) went from 0 when I started to now well over 200. Well done! We did well! I am waiting for my check!

    Kostas

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  18. Kosta

    You can't cut a hole in stone that way unless you spend months scrapping and replacing blades - you use a small tipped drill (like a dentists drill) in small round lines (as you see in the picture) until the centre drops out then you file flat or you use a large pointed stone tool and cut straight down like a drill - either way it wont work unless its spinning at high speed.

    If you are so sure of your technique, put it on youtube and prove me wrong!

    As for your fame and influence - thank you for viewing, but I think its the Radio, TV and press articles causing the increase.

    RJL

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  19. Robert,

    So you are not going to send that check? OK. But could you at least change your blog's background? The shelves full of books without titles look rather fake.

    Kostas

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