Monday, 11 July 2011

Nitrogen-15 The isotope way of detecting the Prehistoric Flood Plans?

Amy Styring of Oxford University

This is how the Crop Isotope Project reported there discovery:
As any gardener knows, animal manure does a brilliant job of keeping soils rich in nutrients and easy to work. Though chemical fertilizers are now widely used, manuring still plays a critical role in food production in many parts of the world today. But was it always so important?

The Crop Isotope Project is the first attempt to systematically assess the importance of manuring in early farming communities, dating back thousands of years - and the results have been, well, ground-breaking.
Food science, a discipline far removed from archaeology, provided the key clue: an approach used to authenticate organic produce! Previous research showed that mineral fertilizer and farmyard manure have different effects on which forms of nitrogen get incorporated into the soil and taken up by crops.
Nitrogen comes in different forms, called 'isotopes'. Mineral nitrogen is rich in the lighter stable isotope (14N), whereas farmyard manure has more of the heavier form (15N). Food scientists use this contrast to identify fertilizers applied to vegetables, to ensure that only 'organic' manures were used on produce that's labelled organic.
The conclusions from the study is that Neolithic man place farm manures on the soil to help them grow - which is quite sensible until you think about the first farmers in any details. The problems these researchers failed to ask or answer:

  • For every acre of cultivated land for wheat barley etc - How much manure do I need?
  • I can't place these manure engines in the same field as the crop so where did they stay and what did they feed?

The first farmers were surrounded by forest - how long does it take to clear a 'plot' which can both cater for both pasture and crops?

The chemists looked at a middle east model for their ideas - the problem is that the middle east was not covered by a forest - it was flat barren land, the European model is totally different. Traditional archaeologists tell us that great fires cleared the forest then farming began in the clearings. Absolute tosh!!

Recently in Britain we had the worst fires in living memory in Scotland, Wales and even Berkshire bordering London have had these 'devastating fires in May - go there today, yes the ground is chard, but all the trees are still standing - so how long would it take for 1 Neolithic man to cut down 1 acre of land 1/2 for grain and 1/2 for animals.

I acre of ground is 4,840 square yards - if a tree is every 6 feet (its a forest not a wood!!) that's over 2,000 trees, to be burnt and then cut with a stone axe - that's 3 years - non-stop and then you need to take out the roots - that's 6 years without rest or bad weather - let alone it growing again behind you - absolute nonsense!!

The answer is the river Nile - it floods twice a year and guess what - they grow crops on the flood plan, why do they grow crops on the flood plan, because its rich on Nitrogen-15.

Mesolithic Flood plan ready for crops

Nitrogen-15 is found in manure, that's because its in rich pasture soil which a rivers flood plain produces - it is found in far greater concentrations than manure. When the flood waters of the Mesolithic retreated it revealed the flood plans which the Neolithic utilised as it was rich, flat and wet.

So congratulations Dr Amy Bogaard on your find - but you found yet another proof of the prehistoric flood plans of Britain.


  1. Robert,

    Yet another 'phallaceous' argument with more 'slight of logic'!

    1) Animal manure has heavy isotopes of nitrogen.
    2) The Nile floods offer good soil for growing crops because the flood waters carry fertilizing manure.

    3) Therefore, Mesolithic water inundations provided good soil for growing crops by Neolithic Brits.

    Well then, it must be true! There must have been Mesolithic waterways with boats in them carrying huge sarsen stones!

    Except Robert, the water in these Mesolithic floods was glacier meltwater. Where is the horse manure in that ice? Or is it the bullshit in your stories that fertilizes the plains of England?


  2. Kostas

    You have your 'chicken or egg' analogy the wrong way around.

    Animals eat plants rich in Nitrogen-15 then poo it out later. So the land needs to be rich in Nitrogen-15 first (due to the flood plan) animals eat it and then the farmer re-enriches the soil with the manure.


  3. Robert,

    I believe in logic!

    Sure, animals poo! And animal poo can and does fertilize the land. Is that the 'chicken' or the 'egg'?

    You use what is obvious to make a spurious connection to what is false!

    You write,

    “So the land needs to be rich in Nitrogen-15 first (due to the flood plan)”.

    Several flaws in your logic, Robert, that my intellectual conscience MUST point out!

    1) The 'flood plan' in your syllogism is your Mesolithic inundation (otherwise, how does any of this fit your larger rouse). But these waterways contained glacier ice meltwater. Where is the N15 poo here? The land was covered with ice. There were no agricultural raising of animals to produce your desired poo! Where did THAT poo in the ice water come from to initially fertilize the Mesolithic flood plains?

    2) Must all agricultural land “needs to be rich in Nitrogen-15 first”? Here we really run into your “chicken or the egg” fallacy! To have N15 rich land for agriculture and animals to be raised, we need the land to initially be underwater, according to your logic. But if the land initially was underwater, how could the animals exist to poo the N15 onto the land?

    There are better explanations to all this twisted logic, Robert! Try on my theory for size …


  4. Kostas

    Let me explain your misunderstanding of isotopes and logic, my friend.

    The only reason animal manure has Nitrogen-15 is because they eat it!! It is not produced inside the animal - Hence my phrase 'Chicken or Egg' - for your logic has produced the egg!! - Which is the wrong answer as a mutant chicken that was first to lay an egg.

    Therefore, the ice melt was absorbed by the earth which raised the ground water table producing larger rivers (remember this was over 4,000 years after the Ice Age - not 10 minutes) NOT with ice water but spring water which contains nitrogen-15 from the subsoils of the earth mantle in which Nitrogen-15 is naturally stored.


  5. Robert,

    I took YOUR premises and pointed the fallacy in YOUR arguments! Nothing less!

    So now you tell us N15 is stored in underground water. So now we really do not need your animal poo to get agriculture started!

    I am very relieved! This feels more natural ...